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3 Ps in a Pod: An Education Podcast

May 5, 2022

When you hear about using data in your teaching practice, you may think about test scores, but Shane Safir and Dr. Jamila Dugan are expanding our idea about data and how we can use it to support our students and our teaching.

Safir and Dugan are the co-authors of Street Data: A Next-Generation Model for Equity, Pedagogy, and School Transformation and will be speaking at this summer’s Teacher Leadership Institute.

In this episode of 3Ps in a Pod, they talk with co-hosts Paula, Marlys, and Kathleen about what street-level data is and how it is different than “satellite data” or “map data.” Safir explains how people can collect street data through deep listening and how that deep listening can bring systemic change to schools and districts. Dugan explores how that deep listening and street data can bring voice to the marginalized and the vulnerability required to get to that transformative level.

Safir and Dugan also reflect on how difficult teaching has been the past few years and share encouragement for those working to continue on and deepen their practice.

Advance your teacher leadership and your understanding of street data at the 17th Annual Teacher Leadership Institute: New Possibilities Through Connections and Experiences from June 13-15 in Tucson. Learn more and register at

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